From Corporate Burnout to Purpose-Driven CEO with Anvita Jain [The Sacred Style Podcast-Ep. 8]
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What we cover:
[00:00:00] - Welcome to the Sacred Style Podcast
[00:03:08] -Shifting Relationship with Change
[00:08:24] - Deeper Purpose to Our Passion
[00:16:07] - Primal Purpose to Change
[00:18:21] - Align with Your Seasons
[00:20:32] - Feelings
[00:25:37] - Shame Used as a Tool
[00:31:49] - Final Thoughts & Juicy Nuggets
Daniela:
00:00:40 In today's episode, I'm super excited for a guest speaker. We are going to be speaking about the transformational journey of pivoting from corporate burnout to CEO of a soul aligned business. This is very exciting. To expand more on this. I'm speaking with Anvita Jain, a career transition coach who empowers burned-out high-achieving women to rise from corporate leader to CEO of a soul-aligned business. Anvita utilizes her expertise in navigating 4 career pivots over the last decade, putting words to people's deeper challenges, and roadmapping to guide women on a clear impact-driven path forward that centers their wellness, passions, and purpose. So Anvita super excited to have you welcome. How are you?
Anvita Jain:
00:01:34 I'm super excited to chat today. And about this topic, I think it's a question that's on a lot of people's minds today as there's so many options available for career paths, and I'm just happy to shed more light as to what that can look like.
Daniela:
00:01:52 Yes, yes, I'm super excited to hear more about your experience, your wisdom, your tips, for you know this wild, wild world that we're living in. I can imagine there are a lot of people navigating a lot of uncertainty and questions about their path, their purpose, the work industry as a whole is going through so many rapid shifts. So I'm really excited to have you, and I know it's going to be a very juicy conversation.
Anvita Jain:
00:02:27 I think this is a very like you said, it's a collective shift that's happening. I know a lot of people probably agree with me when I say just forging a career path, let alone corporate or not, feels like the wild Wild West. Right now, the world feels like the Wild Wild West. And I think there's this story that sometimes there's a story perpetuating the collective that change is wrong. Or it's very often internalized. I find among clients it's like, I am wrong. I have experienced this myself, where I internalize changes happening in my external environment as my fault.
00:03:08 That would be a big thing to talk about is a lot of my journey has been around shifting my relationship to change and continuously shifting my relationship to change. It almost sounds ironic, because it's like changing my relationship to change. But that is really what it comes down to is change is becoming more and more normal. So pivoting is becoming a key skill. It's becoming a money skill. At this point, the ability to pivot when things come up without making it about yourself. I think that is the big thing that I'm finding, because in fear, the voice of fear can often say that.
00:03:50 Oh, my God, shade. That's the way our nervous system is programmed. Is that change equals we are in danger. The truth is that most changes in our environment are not life threatening changes. They may be challenging, they may require different thinking, etc, etc. But they're not truly life threatening. So I think that's the key. Distinguish first is that I would say only 1% of the actual changes that happen in your life are even potentially life threatening. But knowing how your nervous system works helps kind of clarify. Okay, if I'm like, if I'm you know, for example, if something comes up at work, you know, I know a lot of people probably experience that, like something comes up at work that might feel like a fire at work. Realize that you're feeling like you may be internalizing that fire because your nervous system thinks it's life threatening, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's life threatening. There are usually options out in most cases. Now, I'm not talking about survival means right? So I completely understand. I just saw 1111. I don't know if you guys believe.
Daniela:
00:05:02 Oh, I love that.
Anvita Jain:
00:05:04 On my laptop, as I was saying that, but that would be the first thing. I think that I can pull that thread further, is changing your relationship to change.
Daniela:
00:05:16 Changing your relationship to change. I love that. I love that perspective. I think, change, you know, you've probably heard the phrase. The only constant in life is change. I don't know who coined it, but it's always stuck with me. It's always stuck with me. One of the things that I wish people would teach, you know, in society, like, I don't know. Elementary school, middle school. I wish that we were taught more of the skills needed to embrace, change, and adapt to external change as well. I'm super curious about your journey in particular, that led you into this type of work and led you into this type of change, a growth mindset. How did you get here with us today?
Anvita Jain:
00:06:09 Yeah. So when I was younger, I was, you know. And I think again, this is probably another relatable experiences. You're asked, you know, when you're 5 years old. What do you want to be when you grow up? And it's like, as a kid, I had so many different answers. I think my answer probably changed every week. And I remember them. The most vivid answer, I remember, is wanting to be a spot. But I didn't think about like that and think about that. I share that answer to say like I lived in a world of possibility as a kid. That is why like, it didn't bother me that my answer changed every week. That was it. Even a problem. And I think that goes to show is that as I grew up, what I saw around me was people just staying in one career path, their entire life. It was pretty rare to see someone who had just embrace, like change in their career path, really like on a broader level, and tried doing different things. That wasn't a very common experience. And we were talking about this concept of a multi passionate career path which is basically a career path that combines multiple passions rather than just being one path. And for some people that one path is works for a lot of people, they might find that they're misaligned
00:07:28 And for some people that one path it works for a lot of people, they might find that they're misaligned with trying to squeeze themselves in, or their purpose in, or just watered down to one path for their entire life. That's a lot of pressure.
Daniela:
00:07:37 Yeah.
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Anvita Jain:
00:07:38 Her life. So I felt that same pressure when I tried to squeeze myself into one path, so I kind of tried to squeeze my distill myself into the path that I saw that offered security around me which was engineering. And you know that was what I studied in college. That's where I started, and lo and behold, that was not my fit and While I pursued other interests, they felt sidelined. And I kind of sidelined my passions, and that was the worst thing I could have done, because I truly believe that one's passions are like the gateway to how we're supposed to bring about our purpose into the world like our passions aren't just interests, and there's nothing wrong with just exploring them.
00:08:24 However, you explore them, but I believe there's a deeper purpose to our passion they're not just given to us by accident. They're kind of God. Given gifts. They're like little breadcrumbs, you know, like you're following a trail, and so sidelining them was. I was doing a disservice to my path in the world and how I'm meant to impact people. So that's what I found is that's what I kind of did, multiple career pivots throughout my twenties, just trying to find the path, and the pressure of that, like the path, was the issue, because there was nothing wrong with the path I was taking. There was nothing wrong with switching in the first place, so I kept making every career change, unless it was the one wrong one.
00:09:03 And I finally came to a point where I forgot I was, honestly, I think I was just exposed to more people doing different things, especially particularly entrepreneurs. I found that there was a little more adaptability I found in the entrepreneurial world, because business owners had the freedom to make their business what they wanted to make it. Right versus corporate came with a little bit more of a structure, a predetermined structure, not maybe the person structure. And so that's where I found, like oh, I can combine multiple passions into a path. Then I started working. So I used to be in human resources before I came into the coaching world. And then I started working with.
00:09:44 Oh, wait! I kind of started taking ownership more of my path. Even within the corporate structure. I do feel like there is a lot more ability to take ownership of one's career. It just takes a mindset shift and then a body shift. I think that was the other piece that's often missing from corporate. Is the somatic piece getting your body on board, getting your subconscious on board? That's how I came into this world. Work is like career pivoting as a way to more, as a tool to live a multi passionate career path. If that's what you want to choose, because there isn't a lot there I was fortunate, I found, but it took me a while. What if we could get their people faster? What if I could be talking to like high school kids or younger, and encourage it from when that energy is fresh? Imagine if you have people, because if they see their parents following a multi passionate career path as kids.
00:10:38 Then now, if it's a whole new world, and I think that's the beautiful thing that is emerging right now. That is the big opportunity, there's more people following multi passionate career paths. Now.
Daniela:
00:10:48 It's a lot more.
Anvita Jain:
00:10:49 It's going to become a lot more normalized with AI and all the changes happening, like it's going to be required at some point to be able to adapt even within one career path. Right? Even if you are an engineer, doctor, or lawyer. You're going to need to learn new skill sets you're going to need to adapt. So let's talk about pivoting now, because it’s an essential skill now.
Daniela:
00:11:13 Yeah, 100%. Yeah. You mean so many, so many good points there, I think the first one that stood out to me is the trend that you are noticing now in terms of, even if you're sticking within the same career field, the same path, you know, with the rapid rate of technology evolving and AI coming in, and all sorts of new skills and platforms being introduced to us. Yeah, even if you're going to be an engineer the rest of your life, let's say, and that is your calling, and that is your passion. There are still going to be new changes thrown your way in the same field. So I do think you made a really good point. It's like it doesn't even matter what path you're on. The pivoting will need to occur at some point.
Anvita Jain:
00:12:03 Yeah, I think that was the thing that really got me into this work is, I believe that some part of life is always in transition. It's just constant. You're never going to be at a point where not you're not transitioning in at least one place. I find that because I essentially everything is tied to my identity, right part of my life. And so if I'm going through a shift in one place. Chances are, I'm going through an identity shift of some kind or not. And so it will start trickling. It will definitely impact the other areas of my life. There's no way. Everything is intertwined. I don't believe that things are just compartmentalized, and that was partially why I took a career. Lens is because your career is a foundational pillar of your life.
00:12:54 You know I met, I've definitely met people who do try to compartmentalize it, whether that's as a coping mechanism or just the way they learn to function. But I'm like, what if you didn't have to do that?
Daniela:
00:13:07 What if you didn't have to do that? Yeah, completely, and I'm also thinking of you mentioned soul gifts, you mentioned this concept of following the passion in my mind. It's like, yes, I say the same thing, following these breadcrumbs of curiosity, following this feeling of like, when I do this activity. I you know I get energy like this lights me up. I've definitely been on that journey the last few years myself, you know, diving into entrepreneurship. It was like I place so much of my identity on one label, one category of the type of work that I'm doing at all times. I relate so much to what you're saying about compartmentalizing work, and I find that I think, at least in Western society. There's that, that's definitely a message that I think we get subconsciously, as like. You can only be defined by this one thing that you do. You know, at least in the Us. The biggest question that, like my biggest pet peeve of a question whenever I would meet people, can you guess it's what do you do?
Anvita Jain:
00:14:29 What do you do for work? Right? That a lot of people lead with in the US or other Western countries, and I think it's trickling around the world. You know. My parents are from India. I have relatives in India, I hear about it there, too, you know, like, that's the eastern side. That's the other side of the world. So I think there's also a collective like worldwide kind of trend happening towards hyper work. And it's kind of coming, it's gonna come at some kind of a breaking point. Everything does.
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Daniela:
00:15:04 Yes.
Anvita Jain:
00:15:05 Right. There's always nature, it's gonna counterbalance. And I think that's a beautiful thing that is really cool about being in the entrepreneurial space, where you and I are connecting with like healers and leaders. That's I think the cool thing is me and you play in that space. And what I've noticed from taking on this entrepreneurial journey and connecting to more of those people is. It's honestly given me more optimism, because there's always 2 sides to every coin; nature always has. It's like a dual nature, and I think. Yes, you can look outside and see all the wild Wild West, and also out of that opportunity again. Change. This is, goes back to like change is also opportunity. That's why change happens. That's why Mother Nature pushes you to change. It's like, it's almost realizing, like the primal nature of change is evolution. Otherwise, we wouldn't evolve without change. We just wouldn't.
Daniela:
00:16:06 Yeah.
Anvita Jain:
00:16:07 So there's a very like primal purpose to change, and I think the more I lean into that, I remember like, oh, this is like natural. All of this. And so seeing 2 sides of this, remembering their 2 sides of the same coin, and then seeing, being willing to look at the other side, and being willing to embrace it. A lot of my misery also came from just an identity of victimhood, and just choosing to only focus on the external on the bad, because focusing internally focusing on the good, being able to acknowledge that takes a higher level of responsibility, higher level of ownership, and then it also requires personal change. Right? So then, we talk about the, you know, internal and external mirrors. And we can, I can talk, you know, whole episode, probably just about that topic. But that's kind of what I actually lost where we began with this thread. But I think that really helps me keep, stay grounded in change, is realizing like there's a natural purpose to change. And we're meant to change, to evolve.
Daniela:
00:17:14 Yes, yes, I completely agree, and as you're talking about change, it made me think about you know, you mentioned nature, you mentioned change. It made me think about the seasons, and as I've been on my evolution, you know, journey of being human, I really have noticed that my phases of change really reflect the phases of nature. You know I've got my winter period, which could kind of be considered like a dark night of the soul every time I enter my hibernation, my hermit phase. But I find I'm I'm getting more gratitude each time I enter sort of this winter period, because it's a great opportunity to go inward and to, you know, clear space. Basically, I find it so important. And you mentioned career as foundation as well, it's like you can't really build off of any foundation if it's completely cluttered with stuff that's that's dragging it down all the time and preventing that expansion, you know.
Anvita Jain:
00:18:21 Good point. What helps you align with your seasons, like and just embrace them. You mentioned a lot about being able to like embrace that, and the purpose of that. So I'd love to hear more about, for our listeners, too, is, how do you embrace your season?
Daniela:
00:18:43 I love that question. I think for me, astrology has actually been a really huge part of my journey of evolution, my own understanding of self, and the way in a tool that I use to empower my clients. And so learning about astrology has also taught me so much about. Let's say, the moon phases, which is also very much Nature's, these these seasons of nature as well. So I think just the more awareness that it gained about the natural cycles of nature. And what what those actually represent symbolically? For example, you think of autumn. It's a time for shedding. It's a time for pruning, you know, certain habits or certain even pieces of clothing, or certain connections that are not feeling great anymore. They're not providing an uplifting, expansive feeling. So you know, thinking about the death and rebirth phases that also occur within every single month. Every moon cycle. I found a lot of parallels between that and between. You know the 4 seasons of nature. So, before discovering anything about that, you know, from a more spiritual lens. I was really hard on myself, really, really hard on myself in terms of when I did want to create a change, or when I would feel frustration for the state of my life, you know, for feeling stagnant, because I have felt stagnant so many times throughout my life already.
Anvita Jain:
00:20:32 I'd love to pull on that thread a little bit, because I was just thinking this the other day. Kind of what I was talking about. What? As you were talking about, especially with the feeling part when you said like I would, you know, feel wrong almost for feeling like frustration or rage, these feelings, right? Because there's a lot of these feelings in the collective, and a lot of why I take a somatic approach to this work, right? A lot of what you'll see in career development is not. It's very mind. It's very just here, and it stops there, and that's it, or it focuses on the external or forcing on hustling more, and it forgets the body. It forgets the subconscious. It forgets nature a lot of that. And so there's feelings. Feelings are a huge part, both for men, women, by the way, I want to say. And people who are non-gender conforming. It's for everyone. It's an energetic right. This really one thing we've lost in this collective is a healthy relationship to emotion and energy. Essentially, energy that's wanting to move right again. This thing of like change being constant energy, is constantly moving. There's a movement that once in nature moves. We don't stay. That's why stagnancy can feel uncomfortable is because energy wants to move. That's physical energy through our bodies. That is the seasons, right? Like, even a good thing, right? I think sometimes when we reach a destination or we used to go, there's part of us that's like, Oh, I'm done. At some point. You're gonna want something more. Right? There's gonna be another desire. So going back to the feelings, there's a there's also been a story in the collective. I feel like that's internalized for a lot of children is feelings are wrong. I am wrong for having feelings. Feelings are wrong, but the thing is, humans don't consciously decide how they feel. And the energy that wants to either move through them or out of them. So like an adult sensation from the past, or it's a sensation that just like naturally wants to just move through that. That's all emotion is, so it just exists.
00:22:45 It's not right or wrong, you know. It's not like, Oh, you get frustrated due to this. That's like you choosing to be frustrated. I would say the choice is how to relate to the emotion, but the emotion itself is not a choice. Even if you're angry, and I'm trying to think of some of the emotions that tend to have the bad rap, sad. There's not nothing wrong with you. Yeah, exactly like there's nothing wrong with those emissions. It's just the emotion that's moving through you. The choice is actually how you move with the emotion, how you relate to the emotion, how you ride the wave. I have a coach right now, Meg Zeke, who likes Meg Zeke and Jasmine Mara. They, you know, like to say it's how you ride the wave. So I want to offer that to the audience, because that is more. It's more about building a relationship with the emotions rather than making them wrong. And that's a concept for me. It's a recommitment. I just it's so far we were just chatting. I had some stuff come up this morning, where I was very frustrated, and right before this call, and you know, part of me was telling myself the story of like
00:23:50 I need to show up for, like you know, to record. And I need to do. Xyz. Why am I frustrated right now? But then I was like, hold on. I didn't again, emotion is just the emotion that's coming up. So we're just gonna ride this wave. And lo and behold! Now it's inspiration for us to talk about on this call, right? So like that, I share that example to show the power of being able to shift your relationship to things rather than trying to shift the things outside, because the relationship to that, I think that's a huge kind of distinction. And like it's really, usually about for me, it's been a lot about. How do I relate to what's happening in front of me, almost like a canvas, almost like the world is a canvas, and I get to choose how to relate to it versus trying to force at the outside like it's a dollhouse or something where I can like move the pieces. And then that's the difference.
Daniela:
00:24:48 I like that. Yeah, that's a really great perspective. And I think something else I was hearing in that in terms of our how we relate to what we're feeling, so much that I experienced when it came to learning about emotions, gaining more self awareness, understanding my triggers, and that kind of thing. The more inward I went, the more I realized how much shame I had been carrying and how much shame I had been attaching to feeling what society deems as more negative emotions. But they don't have to be negative. They're simply they're simply emotions. And I'd be curious like what your perspective on shame is along this journey.
Anvita Jain:
00:25:33 Oh, my gosh! Shame is a gnarly one! Isn't it? Shame.
Daniela:
00:25:37 Yes.
Anvita Jain:
00:25:37 I think the thing that really one, I didn't even realize how much shame I held. I think there was. It was very subconscious for me. It was underneath my awareness. So that was the first part is like remembering that shame is a thing. And that shame is not just existed, but often used as a tool. I feel in today's world, to again. This, this goes back to the relation. Shame is often used as a tool to I will go as far to say a manipulative tool, in the worst of scenarios, and so, I think, being aware, I think it's important for a lot of people to become aware of like the shame. What shame! How shame works! Naturally right like you, said emotion, just like it's natural. And I think for me, the transformational thing for me with shame was like realizing that one. How much I shame myself. Or how much I internalize shame from outside sources, but 2 also that shame perpetuates it more like I often, and I say tool for manipulation, because I often find myself using it as a tool to try to shift behavior. And that was the issue, I realized that shame actually doesn't change behavior. It just locks it in. Further, it makes it harder. And that was a big turning point in that, like the opposite. I wouldn't say, the opposite of shame. But what I started have shifted towards using to change behavior is love. If I want to make changes, love is really the most powerful energy that I can use. Their behavior. But what I found I was actually using was a lot of shame.
Daniela:
00:27:28 Wow.
Anvita Jain:
00:27:29 That was the key, shifter.
Daniela:
00:27:31 Oh, my gosh, yeah, I can relate so much to that in terms of changing behavior. You know, being able to change mindsets to create positive change in my life. It was like before, understanding more about shame, and realizing how much of it I've been carrying most of my life. I had these subconscious messages going on repeat without my awareness of it. You know I had messages that were telling me like, it's not okay to let anyone see me cry, because that is weakness, like, never let anybody don't ever cry in front of everyone. Don't get vulnerable with them, you know it's not okay to fail. You know these types of internalized messages that just kept me on this rat race of perfectionism and overachieving. And yeah, I'm wondering if maybe you've seen this a lot.
Anvita Jain:
00:28:28 Yeah, when you bring up like the hustle culture, that's definitely something that's a huge thing that my clients deal with, right, like central and internalizing that. And a lot of it comes from you know, taking one layer deeper than shame. It's just I am not enough. Yeah, that's really what sits underneath. The shame is this belief of I am not blank enough. Usually, it's more specific. I am not skilled enough. I'm not capable enough. I'm not XYZ enough. Insert whatever you're internalizing from one other person, right? Like, how often do we look outside ourselves and see? Oh, she's doing this! She's, you know, it's xyz reason rather than a skill that I can build. And I think this comes down to internal power, because what it takes away, what shame takes away, is choice. It doesn't take it away. It just forgets it. That's really what it is. I don't even think it takes it away. It's about remembering what you can choose
00:29:25 That. Now, for example. You know, with hustle culture, for example, like that is rooted in shame. Right? That's like a collective shame. And it comes like I said. A lot of it comes from a sense of proving through action, through achievement.
Daniela:
00:29:41 Yes.
Anvita Jain:
00:29:41 And really, it's just a call really, to like feel enough. Be here! Here's the thing. What if you're already enough? What if you are just enough? From that place. There's a fullness, right? The fulfillment. A lot of people I know try to look for this career. Sometimes it's career, sometimes it's something else. But a lot of my clients are looking for the career to fill this space within themselves. And that will never be possible. The career cannot fill the space inside the cell. That's a huge thing, and I don't even think it took me ages to realize that I still have to remind myself. Is that I need to be filled within myself, period. No matter what's happening on the outside, my career is an extension of the I am enough. Basically, that's what I'm talking about is internalizing. The belief of I am enough, as is, then from that place you have a choice. You see your choices more naturally. I just see my choices. I see my internal power, you know. If something goes haywire at work, it's not a reflection of I'm doing something wrong. It's just : a natural thing that's happening. But if I'm in a place of calm, then I feel that I can handle this. I can take this on. I can resolve this. And then from those challenges. That's where you evolve. So that's why I was talking about the gifts evolving, right, gifts involve challenges. That's what I really feel like. I found the areas that I'm the most been the historically the most challenged in are where my gifts are.
Daniela:
00:31:24 Oh, yeah.
Anvita Jain:
00:31:26 That is a that's another piece we can. We can unravel, but I’ll stop now.
Daniela:
00:31:31 Yeah. Yeah, no. Oh, my gosh, there! I know there's so much we can dive into. There's just so much we may have to do a part. 2. Honestly.
Anita Jain:
00:31:42 Yes, yes, I didn't expect this to end at a cliffhanger.
Daniela:
00:31:49 I think we can bring it on home, because so much of what we've been talking about is really tied to the power of a multi-passionate career path. And this idea that we are so much more than just our job, just our career. Just one label. And I would really love to. I would love to leave the audience with like one final juicy nugget of your brilliant wisdom and your advice. So if we are thinking about someone in the audience who, let's say, feels really stuck in their career really unfulfilled. What kind of advice would you give to them? Especially someone, let's say, who is thinking about? Maybe transitioning from corporate to entrepreneurship to use more of their gifts. Do you have any little nuggets of wisdom you'd like to share?
Anvita Jain:
00:32:43 Yeah, I think if I were to tell that person to take maybe 2 or 3 next steps, think what I would give them is one. Your passions are your purpose, right? So don't ignore your passions. If anything, you know, it can be tempting when we're feeling stuck to. Just let go of everything. Don't let go of the passions, even if it's just one passion, 5 min a day. This is where you need it most is when you feel stuck, when you don't feel like doing those. That's the point at which you want to maintain your self care practices and your hobbies. And again, if what you're doing feels like too much. Scale it down, but do it. The point is to do at least, I would say even 5 min a day, can make a huge difference. That's 30 minutes in a week. Keep that. Maintain that routine. Maintain your self-care practices first of all.
00:33:33 Second of all, bite-sized pieces. Right? So let's break it down. So maybe there's 1 idea that you're having of like, okay, maybe I'd like this path more. So just start with talking to one person who's maybe doing one thing that you might like, or that piques your curiosity just a little bit. It doesn't have to be. This pressure of this has to be deep. This has to fulfill me, like that can be a very tall order. Just start with one conversation about something that piques your curiosity, and let the breadcrumbs kind of come into place. Use curiosity as a very nice light tool, something that's like, oh, I'm a little bit like I'm wondering about that. Just use that as a breadcrumb. If anything. Curiosities are really nice, chill, light tools that I like to offer clients to use, because it's not very pressurey. It's just something you have questions about, and you're looking to explore.
00:34:29 Those are. The 2 things I would start with is, maintain your self-care, practices, and passions. And then to go have a conversation with someone who's doing something. You're at least slightly curious about.
Daniela:
00:34:40 I love that. Yeah, those are very, very practical tips that anyone who's listening could actually go ahead and implement right now, guys, right now.
Anvita Jain:
00:34:51 You, can literally do it today. The great thing, and I would love to just bring that home, is like, I think, pivoting is not. It doesn't have to be hard. It can be scary, it can be uncomfortable, but that does not mean it has to be hard. I think that's the biggest lesson I'm learning is, as we speak, is pivoting with ease, and that's really what I help my clients do is see that it's so much easier than your mind is telling you, because when you're overwhelmed, you're so in your head, it's so it can be so hard to see the easy path. That's the last thing I'll offer. Change does not have to be hard, just because it's uncomfortable. It can actually be quite useful and fun, and playful. And that's the path I would invite the audience to explore is, how could you make it easy and fun and playful for yourself, and see what comes about from that.
Daniela:
00:35:44 I love that. And I would also add, I mean changes a constant changes always within our lives, and even if it feels difficult, change is inevitable. It's going to happen one way or another in whatever timing unfolds. So why not make it more useful, as what you're saying, Anvita, by following the curiosity. Following the trail of breadcrumbs, following those activities, those topics of interest that just light you up naturally, and take off the pressure for that to lead anywhere, specific.
Anvita Jain:
00:36:21 That's Bingo, anywhere specific. It will lead somewhere. There are possibilities, but there has to be a little bit of a detachment. For all you know, the things specific in your head that you're attached to might not even be the best thing for you. Usually it's not. I find in my experience that I either get that or better. Usually better. Usually, I go back to my faith. I think a lot with this by God, trusting that God has the best plans in store for me, and maybe I don't really know always what's best for me. And that's okay.
Daniela:
00:36:57 Yeah, that has been a very big lesson for me, too, along this journey, is learning how basically humbling myself. I used to think that I always knew what was best for me, and all the plans I made were exactly what I was gonna what was gonna happen. But I love the phrase man plans, and God laughs.
Anvita Jain:
00:37:23 Hilarious.
Daniela:
00:37:24 It's been so true. Man plans, and God laughs because the universe can always see what is best and most aligned for you, and sometimes you just have to learn how to release controlling the plan, so you can listen to what those curious intuitive nudges are trying to tell you and lead you. So like, I said, we could be talking about this for hours and hours and hours.
Anvita Jain:
00:37:54 That's a beautiful thing about this conversation, isn't it?
Daniela:
00:37:56 It is, we're gonna have a part 2. We're gonna have a part 2. It's gonna be beautiful. I'm excited.
Anvita Jain:
00:38:02 See you on the other side. I'm excited.
Daniela:
00:38:05 Yeah, I'm excited. Anvita, thank you so much for all your incredible, juicy, juicy nuggets of wisdom really like this has filled me up so much listening to you. All good. I'm so glad. And to everyone listening and watching out there. Thank you so much for joining us today and tuning in, and I will catch you guys next time on the Sacred Style Podcast. Bye.
Anvita Jain:
00:38:33 Bye, everyone.
About Anvita Jain —Career transition coach who empowers burnout, high achieving women to rise from corporate leader to CEO of a soul aligned business
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